Friday, March 03, 2006

Not Neglecting

I thought I would explain why I haven't been blogging on my blog much. It's partly busy-ness, but also partly contributing comments to Natalie's posts on Marriage, very interesting ones. They are A Nation of Adulterers, and How Long does Marriage Last?. Whether the comments are interesting is another matter...

In any case, have a look see if you like.

In Christ.

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At 3/03/2006 11:38:00 PM , Blogger natalie said...

Come on now, Adrian, tell the're really planning to write a book and you're just practicing over on my blog. :-)

At 3/07/2006 10:34:00 AM , Blogger zan said...


I thouoght you did and excellent job defending your position. That is exactly what I believe and have been taught.

One problem I have always had with the opposite view is that there never seems to be forgiveness. If you are married to the same person you are divorced from and remarried are you still commiting adulterery? Should you leave your present family and remain single? I have been in some Christian circles where they actually believe this. They also treat divorced people like second class Christians.

My husband was married for two years to someone. She left him for a cop she met online. He tried to woo her back and make things better but he realized that she was "seeing" the cop when he husband was at work. After all of his attempts to make the marriage work he divorced her. (This is just a brief overview of the story. It really was much worse. I will spare you the details.)

I actually think that it is mmore wrong or unscriptual to stay with someone who is an adulterer. They have broken the covenant, not you.

I think the scripture is pretty clear with the fornication. exception.

I think divorce is a terrible thing and too many people get them.

Unfortunately, alot of Christians believe what Natalie believes and it can be very hard for divorced Christians, whether they are the innocent party or not. Because of this we have had to keep my husband's past secret to certain family members.

We were counceled and married in the OPC church and though, we don't attend there anymore, I will be forever greatful to the pastor and the way he treated us as a couple.

Anyway, you should write a book someday. You were very clear and easy to follow in your explanations.

At 3/09/2006 08:04:00 AM , Blogger Susan said...

Well, I can see that Natalie and Adrian have both been busy over the past few days (or weeks, not sure since I've been in hiding).

In general I do agree with Adrian's view, though, as one who has in years past leaned towards Natalie's view, I certainly see where she is coming from, though I have since altered my view. The most important thing is that you two have arguing down to an art, without turning it into a fight (to use the two terms in a logical sense).

Zan said (concerning Adrian): You were very clear and easy to follow in your explanations.

I did have to chuckle here, because, while I overall agree with you, Zan, I must admit that some of Adrian's (and Natalie's) comments did make my head feel fuzzy, but then it may have been the lateness of the hour or the fact that I had sewn for 9 hours earlier that day without my reading glasses (bad me!) or the sheer number of blog entries I was having to delete/skim/read as I sorted my Omea Reader.

At 3/09/2006 12:29:00 PM , Blogger zan said...


I am very familiar with the subject, especially when trying to legitimize my own marriage to others. Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often and I stay away from situations (most of the time) where I do.

I thought it was a very "fun" debate to read. I wish I could debate as well as they can. I just get mad.

At 3/10/2006 02:19:00 PM , Blogger Adrian C. Keister said...

Reply to Zan and Susan and Natalie.

O, well. Thanks for the compliments. I hope you've been "enjoying the show." What do you think, Natalie? Are we doing all right? *big grin*

In Christ.

At 3/11/2006 07:02:00 PM , Blogger Mrs.B. said...

Adrian. I just read/scanned the dialogue between you and Natalie on her marriage posts. I left this comment and I was interested on your take of it. Here's the comment I left:

Hi Natalie! I haven't been here for awhile....I really like the new look of your blog. (o:

I've scanned your posts on marriage and the discussion between you and Adrian...very interesting but it started to make my head spin so I had to start scanning instead of reading every word. (o; Something I wanted to add (please forgive me if you've already covered this and I missed it).

First I must say that I think the divorce rate among Christians is deplorable and I think marriage should be life long. I believe the vows must be taken VERY seriously. Now I can't argue about stuff the way you and Adrian do because, frankly, well, I'm just an average person and you two are VERY smart! The point I wanted to bring up is in John 4:6-18. In verses 16-18 it says "Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly." If divorce did not end the marriage then how could Jesus say that she hast had five husbands? Wouldn't He have refered to the other husbands like He did the man she was currently living with? If Jesus recognized that she had had 5 husbands then it would seem to me that He recognized all 5 marriages.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts and like I said, I'm no expert. (o:

At 3/13/2006 12:43:00 PM , Blogger zan said...

Mrs B.

I think Christ is pretty clear in that He is referring to her hausbands in the past tense. "Thou hast HAD 5 husbands. He doesn't say they are still her husbands.

I know you asked Adrian and he might have a different take on it but that is mine. Just FYI.

At 3/13/2006 01:17:00 PM , Blogger Adrian C. Keister said...

Reply to Zan and Mrs. B.

I have some thoughts, but I'd rather not post them here, as they might be construed as continuing the debate.

I don't have your email addresses. If each of you send an email to

a k e i s t e r [at] v t [dot] e d u,

where you omit the spaces and use the "at" symbol and the dot, then I'll reply via email.

In Christ.

At 3/13/2006 03:02:00 PM , Blogger Mrs.B. said...

You and I believe the same way about this then, Zan. (o:


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