Thursday, May 03, 2007

Are We Wimps?



According to Wikipedia, America has lost the following numbers of military men in battle. That does not count disease, dying in enemy concentration camps, etc.

American Revolutionary War: 8,000.

War of 1812: 2,260.

Mexican War: 1,733.

Civil War (Or War of Northern Aggression, if you prefer): 212,938 total, both North and South.

World War I: 53,402.

World War II: 291,557.

Korean War: 33,746.

Vietnam War: 47,355.

According to Yahoo News, there have been 3,350 military deaths so far in the war in Iraq. If you believed the liberally-biased media (all media are biased: the honest media come out and say what their bias is, unlike the liberally-biased media), the Iraq War is immensely unpopular with the American public. Let's say that's true. I definitely do not believe everything that comes out of the media, but let's grant them this.

Let me clarify something right now: are the 3,350 men who have died so far real casualties, and should we mourn them? Absolutely. Am I minimizing the loss here? Definitely not. But where is the real American spirit? Where is the American spirit that essentially won World War II on both fronts? The number of casualties there was almost two orders of magnitude more! And we have many fewer casualties from disease because of our modern medicine. Most of the casualties so far in the Iraq War have been in battle with insurgents. Lots of bombings, we hear. Fine. Why don't we honor the men who have died to protect our freedom? Why don't we give those who are still in harm's way the tools they need to finish the job?

Where is the spirit of Patrick Henry when he said, "Give me liberty, or give me death!"? There are things worth dying for! And if there are things worth dying for, there are things worth our loved ones dying for. That means there are things worth grieving for. The price we have paid in Iraq is indeed high, but it is not what we paid for World War II. And in World War II, we had the spirit that brought us out of the Depression (do not be deceived, Roosevelt's New Deal did its best to keep us in the Depression; it was the War that brought us out of it.)!

Let's give our troops all the money they need; if we need more troops, let's send them! Let's get the job done. Then we can really rest easy, knowing that 9/11/2001 is that much more unlikely to reoccur.


 
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19 Comments:

At 5/04/2007 10:37:00 PM , Anonymous Kriegerwulff said...

How can you possibly use the words of Patrick Henry in connection with the Iraq War in any way except in condemnation of the war?

Why do you believe that anybody from WWII till now has died "to protect our freedom"? Do you not realize that the impetus for all these wars has been staged and created in order to GET US INTO them? The last war that was fought to protect freedom was in 1861, the rest of them are fake, and we were manipulated into them.

This reality will explain to you why we don't support this war, and we're outraged at the death of 3,000+ men...we have what our forefathers didn't: the evidence and proof that the entire reason for being there is staged and faked. This information tends to effect the morale for the war in the home folks.

One more thing, did you know that 9 of the "19 hijackers who flew air planes into buildings on 9/11" are still alive?

 
At 5/05/2007 08:03:00 PM , Anonymous Manchild said...

Hello,

I served this country while enlisted in the U.S. Air Force. President Bush forgot the importance of "choosing the battles we fight and the paths we walk wisely."

It's a crying shame that so many great people are being forced against their "free will" to fight an escalating civil war that human hands can't win.

The difference between the escalating civil war in Iraq and previous wars is that our troops are fighting to protect a lie.

It's no secret that Bush initiated the Iraqi war for reasons that will not bring glory and honor to God's name.

If you honestly believe that God divinely ordained this "unjust war," exercise your free will to voluntarily enlist in the military so you can risk your life and limbs to fight for your country.

Congratulations on your recent engagement. My wife and I just celebrated our 6th year of marriage. Only God knows how many more of our fallen soldiers will never again see their husbands and wives.

Peace

 
At 5/05/2007 09:08:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. It boils my blood to read stuff like this but I'll try to explain it as best I can and keep my emotions in check.

For the record, I got out of the Army Oct.12th 2004.

I'm will agree with the two commenters above. In particular these two quotes:

"How can you possibly use the words of Patrick Henry in connection with the Iraq War in any way except in condemnation of the war?"

"If you honestly believe that God divinely ordained this "unjust war," exercise your free will to voluntarily enlist in the military so you can risk your life and limbs to fight for your country."

Ahem Ahem Ahem to that second one.

I'm not an educated person, barely finished high school, but I know wrong. This war was and continues to be wrong. That is the reason we are against it! The senseless lose of lives is just one of the reasons.

I cannot stress these enough, if you stand behind your words, join! Hey you have a degree, go to OCS.

I was watching the movie Born on the Fourth of July today. I had a thought. There are many people in this country willing to fight for their country FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. Fighting for the wrong reasons is ruining this country. But you and the guys in Washington are asking people to die in a civil war of different country, again. We kill Iraqis, Iraqis kill Iraqis, and we kill it other. It is a huge mess. We take city and we can't hold them. That is why you saw MORE than 100 of our guys killed last month, we are trying to hold ground and we can't.

I'm not going to list the reasons against the war or reasons against the troop build up unless you want to debate those. Is that what you want? I'll check back Monday and maybe we can continue.

Like I said I was in the Army. If you want to enlist with your education you will be an E4 after basic or you could be an officer and, if you get a good bonus, could make great money. But mostly it would be a chance to serve in the war you support. If you have any army questions I'll be happy to answer of find someone that can answer.

 
At 5/05/2007 10:50:00 PM , Blogger Adrian C. Keister said...

The argument, "You should enlist" is simply hollow. Of course I shouldn't enlist! I can do much more good for my country right where I am. This country needs mathematicians to stay ahead of the technology curve; among other things, technology gives our soldiers the edge they need. My grandfather worked for General Electric his entire career: right through World War II. He worked on radar and radar jamming. His work saved thousands of Allied lives. And if you're going to claim that therefore I'm not sacrificing my life for my country, think again. Some people die for their country. Other people live for their country.

For that matter, I could claim, "Go get elected president and change things if you want," though that would technically be just as fallacious.

Look, I don't know a thing about foreign policy, except one thing: Bush got elected President of the United States. If you're going to criticize Bush's foreign policy, then I think you should have a replacement policy in mind first. Solely negative criticism doesn't do any good. Those of you who hate Bush because soldiers are dying in Iraq: I say, what alternative do you propose? Pulling out won't do any good. Incidentally, blaming Bush for the deaths in Iraq is ridiculous. That's a misunderstanding of simple cause and effect. Those soldiers in Iraq who are dead are dead because insurgent Iraqis pulled the trigger, or set off the bomb.

In the "war on terror," is Bush really doing that bad a job? I haven't seen another 9/11 happen recently. Or am I blind?

Reply to manchild:

Actually re-enlistment rates are pretty high, I understand. Soldiers want to go back to Iraq and finish the job. This is what they are trained to do. So I say let them do it!

I find it extremely difficult to believe conspiracy theories about Bush starting the war. I believe in a sovereign God. Nothing happens by chance; as a Reformed Christian, I believe that God did ordain this war to come to pass, since it did.

Reply to Anonymous. This war is not a senseless loss of life; the massacre at Virginia Tech was senseless. To say those soldiers died in vain is to insult their memory.

I am not interested in a debate about this issue. I posted my post, because I am interested in seeing how a full-orbed Reformed Christianity plays into the Iraq war. I do not know enough to debate foreign policy.

Regards,
Adrian

 
At 5/06/2007 12:14:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kind of sad that you will support this war but aren't willing to fight it. I think you are a stand up guy, if you thought your country was actually threaten you would fight. Could it be that deep down you know we aren't threatened by Iraq? Could that be why you want others to fight it?

I never said I blame Bush, and I don't. Many people have a hand in this. Many people caused us to rush into this war not prepared. You know we never found the WMDs we were looking for. I remember them almost promising they would be where the pictures said they would.

"In the "war on terror," is Bush really doing that bad a job?"

The "war on terror" is separate from the war in Iraq. Different goals. Different rules of engagement. Different people fighting.

"I haven't seen another 9/11 happen recently"

World wide terrorist attacks are WAY up, something to the tune of 25%.

Also the London Subway bombing.

"Soldiers want to go back to Iraq and finish the job"

How many you know that are there? You know people on the ground fighting right now? I do. Most of them LOVE being soldiers, marines, and sailors (and airman but I dont personally know any) and don't want to be involved politics.

"This war is not a senseless loss of life; the massacre at Virginia Tech was senseless. To say those soldiers died in vain is to insult their memory. "

That is a pretty PC thing to say, really safe and all. Let's look at the reality though. The fact is, many of them didn't have to die. Many died because of mistakes on our part (like Pat Tillman), soldiers died because the war was rushed and we didn't have proper equipment, soliders died from suicide because they aren't treating mental health issues like they should, people died the rules of engagement in this war wouldn't allow them to do there job. If they weren't going to fight this war right why even fight it at all?

I think we are saying senseless in different ways. I mean senseless as in we will not, because we cannot, accomplish what set out in a Iraq to do. We build them a hospital, the insurgents bomb it. Same with schools, roads, etc... Like I said before, we are trying, but not really holding any of the ground we took.

They still dies heroes. They died because, whether people like it or not, our country decided to go to war. It was either they volunteer to go, or a draft. In which case you yourself would have to choice to stay and not fight the war you believe in.

We agree on one thing, it is too late to pull out now. Only I think we should have never been there in the first place, instead putting our money, time, and energy into Afghanistan.

 
At 5/06/2007 12:47:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if you're going to claim that therefore I'm not sacrificing my life for my country, think again. Some people die for their country. Other people live for their country.

How convenient, you get to do the living while others do the dying. Don't you feel patriotic.

Look...9/11 was an inside job, left and right people are recognizing it. (Like Former CIA Analyist Ray McGovern and Former head of the 'Star Wars' program under the Carter administration Dr. Robert Bowman) The London Bombings were carried out by the British government. The Madrid Bombings were also an inside job. Terror attacks have been almost exclusively government operations...like the '93 WTC bombing, the FBI set it up and we have the audio tapes to prove it. OKC Bombing...everybody knows it was a government job. Do the research. The Joint Chiefs of Staff put a plan on Kennedy's desk to carry out fake terror attacks against US citizens in order to create the pretext for a war with Cuba. Thats right, kill Americans to further an agenda...the government wanted to do that.

If the purpose of your post was not to look at policy but rather to see "how a full-orbed Reformed Christianity plays into the Iraq war" you really didn't do that...not in the least. What about any of what you wrote even slightly suggests that is your intention and not a discussion about policy?

Some people die for their country. Other people live for their country.

sheesh...you're pathetic, you say something like "There are things worth dying for! And if there are things worth dying for, there are things worth our loved ones dying for. That means there are things worth grieving for." But then you want to just stay at home and not fight the war you believe in...that is cowardly. There are some things worth dying for, eh? Some things worth grieving for...but not for you. You have the gall to sit and say that people should "buck up" and not be "wimps" when their family members die, but when the response you receive is "go join and fight the war you believe in" you only say that you can do it sitting at home in some math job. Pathetic.

You actually think that sitting in some air conditioned room doing math qualifies you to be included in the count of sacrificing for your country... "If you think I'm not sacrificing my life for my country, think again." You actually think some math job actually compares to the sacrifice being made by people in the field???

I don't even know what to say to that.

 
At 5/06/2007 01:33:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll call myself anonymous 1 I'm the poster of the first 2 anonymous posts. I disagree with the poster above that 9/11 was an inside job. It is possible I suppose but I don't think likely at all.

I agree with them that it is not unreasonable to ask a healthy male in his 20s to serve in a war he believes in. Also, for the record, there are mathematical jobs in the military. Look into the Navy. I mean, if you believe in it so strongly atleast go into the guard or the reserves.

 
At 5/06/2007 07:14:00 AM , Blogger Adrian C. Keister said...

Reply to the first Anonymous.

I don't delete comments, generally, but you're quite close to being so deleted.

You can certainly take your ad hominem attacks elsewhere. Your logic goes like this: because (you think) I'm not willing to actually enlist in the military, go to Iraq, and fight, therefore anything I say about the Iraq war is invalid. That's a mistake in logic that hopefully a first-year student could avoid. You're attacking the man, not the argument. I don't have much patience with "arguments" like that. So you can cease talking about my willingness to enlist right now.

As it happens, I applied for a job at NSA, and I seriously looked into attempting to become a Navy nuke. Neither of them worked out, for reasons I will not go into here except to say that it wasn't because I didn't want the job in general. So even your ad hominem argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

The apostle Paul wrote, "For me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:21. In fact, verses 18b through 26 would be quite worth your attention. Your view of things does appear to be rather earthly-bound, doesn't it? Not to mention a rather wimpy-looking theology. You seem to think that dying is the hard part. Perhaps dying with honor has its difficulties. Dying per se is quite easy. Everyone, quite literally, does it, and that without any special training or know-how. The pain that often goes with dying might be difficult to bear, but since many people die without a great deal of pain, I think the pain logically must be disassociated with the actual dying event. I find living with honor extremely difficult. My sinful nature keeps getting in the way! If I were to die right now, I'd go to heaven and be away from the mess of this earth: the mess that the sinful nature of human beings, especially myself, have made it. For the sinful nature of human beings, see Genesis 3 and Romans 5:12-21. Finally, according to Romans 12:1, we're supposed to sacrifice our bodies in a living way. This is to God. That means we are in the service of God. That means we should obey His commandments, which in turn means we should love our neighbor as we already love ourselves. The implication now is that we should live in such a way that we promote the life of our neighbor. People do this in different ways, according to their gifts and talents, many many of which are quite honorable, including mathematics. The Bible says all these ways are honorable. Argue with that if you want. Incidentally, the NSA would be a good case study for looking at people who are sacrificing their lives, in a living way, for their country. Moreover, because of the top secret nature of their work, they get no credit for it in this life. Are you going to insult them, too?

I'm also not the least bit interested in conspiracy theories, which is what your theories are. My belief in a sovereign God gives me security, anyway, in a way nothing else can. Now that is Reformed Christianity coming to the fore! Your wild speculations are highly improbable. Even the liberal media isn't claiming that Bush planned 9/11; at least not to my knowledge.

You wrote, "sheesh...you're pathetic,..." You can sit there and insult me all day. That will have no bearing on whether I'm right or not, but it is rather rude. You might convince some hapless people that way, but certainly not me. As it says in Shakespeare, loosely quoted, "Methinks thou protests too much." Incidentally, speaking of cowardice, it is often considered to be somewhat cowardly to insult the owner of a blog on his blog and remain anonymous.

It's all very well to say "we shouldn't have gotten into the war in the first place." Regardless of whether I disagree there or not (it's a moot point), that statement is rather meaningless, considering that such is not the situation with which we must deal.

If you want to convince me of anything, here's the formula. Use the Bible, utilizing proper redemptive-historical exegesis and sound systematic theology, including biblically-based reason. Avoid ad hominems and other informal fallacies like the plague. For that matter, avoid formal fallacies like undistributed middle like the plague. If you try anything else on this blog, you're quite literally wasting your time. Furthermore, while I probably won't delete your comments unless you start blaspheming, you're in serious danger of being ignored into insignificance on this blog.

Incidentally, the sovereignty of God is magnificently displayed in Psalm 139 and Romans 9.

Love in Christ.

 
At 5/06/2007 02:15:00 PM , Blogger Bethgem said...

Ouch. You anonymous guys are really trying to hit Adrian where it hurts, implying he doesn't have courage of his convictions because he doesn't enlist in the military. I'd say that's unmerited, rude, and fails to take into consideration that someone with a certain gift should use it in the best way possible, rather than rushing off to die because that's the "heroic" thing to do. As Adrian has pointed out, dying is not necessarily difficult. I'd say being brave enough to face death for your beliefs is pretty much a basic requirement for being a man, not the pinnacle of courage. I am not trying to downplay the death of heroes (though I can't call a man who dies in service to his country necessarily a hero - in a lot of ways, it's his job and dying is a job risk, which brings up the point that for A LOT of men, being in the army has nothing to do with their beliefs - I've, why am I even saying this, actually known some bona fide cowards in the army - though there are certainly heroes, too).

Because I consider Adrian a good person who deserves to be defended even if the attacks are illogical and he can defend himself perfectly well I'm going to also say that I have no doubt that if infantry was the best way he could serve his country, Adrian would be right there signing up. And I'm sure he'll explain to me why biblically he's really not a good person, so stay tuned for that. :)

Finally, I don't even agree with several of the things Adrian said or implied in his post, but I just didn't like standing by and watching this nonsense without speaking up. And maybe it would've been better if I hadn't said anything at all, since I'm feeling like maybe this won't make sense. Bear with me since I've got noisy babies and I've added this disclaimer.

 
At 5/06/2007 02:32:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Your logic goes like this: because (you think) I'm not willing to actually enlist in the military, go to Iraq, and fight, therefore anything I say about the Iraq war is invalid. "

That is NOT my logic. It is just not unreasonable to ask someone male, in their 20s, healthy, and who believes in a cause to fight for it. Is anything and everything you say about the Iraq war wrong, probably not. It is not unreasonable to question how much you could actually believe in it though.

"Not to mention a rather wimpy-looking theology. "

You never said you had to be some sort of Christian to answer this. If that is all you wanted you should have said that in the first place. I don't even know what a Reformed Christian is (there are so many types). I AM a Christian though. I've never studied theology so, yeah, I'll leave that debate up to someone else.

"Incidentally, the NSA would be a good case study for looking at people who are sacrificing their lives, in a living way, for their country. Moreover, because of the top secret nature of their work, they get no credit for it in this life. "

They get credit for their work. The work an insane amount of hours, have almost zero personal lives, have to watch ever move they make (even the tiniest run in with the law could cost them their job), nannies raise their kids pretty much, can't tell the whole truth to friends, family, etc... Yeah they have crappy lives.

"Incidentally, speaking of cowardice, it is often considered to be somewhat cowardly to insult the owner of a blog on his blog and remain anonymous."

For me I'll say that being anonymous is just being lazy in not wanting to sign up for yet another site. I do believe that, if you don't want anonymous comments, you can disable them.

"Regardless of whether I disagree there or not (it's a moot point), that statement is rather meaningless, considering that such is not the situation with which we must deal. "

NOT meaningless. Talking and studying about the Iraq War could possibly prevent it's failures from happening again.

"I've, why am I even saying this, actually known some bona fide cowards in the army "

I haven't and I was in the Army. Not to say you are wrong though, I just don't remember anyone I would describe as a coward though.

I will say there is a serious lack of morality and maturity in the leadership of the military. I wasn't saying he should join out of meanness. Really, sense he believes in the war, he would be an asset. And I stand 100% by the statement that it is a shame the people that believe so strongly in this war want fight in it.




Anonymous 1

 
At 5/06/2007 02:48:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"implying he doesn't have courage of his convictions because he doesn't enlist in the military"

Okay but he is asking if we are wimpy. Why can't we ask if he is wimpy?

 
At 5/07/2007 02:50:00 PM , Anonymous Manchild said...

Hello Adrian,

Allow me to clarify my previous statement. I'm not attacking "you" as a person but I am addressing your question, "Are We Wimps?" My neighbor lost his life fighting to protect the American way because he got "drafted." I pray the day will never come when you, too, are forced against your "free will" to fight for your country.

You're sadly mistaken if you think that our troops are "voluntarily" fighting an escalating civil war that human hands cannot win. As a civilian, I can quit or resign from a job, but in the military, the consequences of quitting are severe.

Reading all the articles written by the grieving parents, widows, and children of the soldiers who died for nothing is heart-breaking. Bush's self-serving decision to invade Iraq was unwise as evidenced by the failure to find any weapons of "mass destruction."

As a fellow Christian who is also married to a Christian woman who has earned a Masters of Divinity degree, we can find no Scriptures that justify this war.

Anyone can take the Scriptures out of its original context and "proof text" the words of the Bible to bolster any argument as evidenced by what the Ku Klux Klan did in the name of Christianity. So, I'll refrain from getting entangled in what will prove to be a vain exercise in futility.

In closing, can we amicably agree to disagree about an unduly burdensome war that will eventually bankrupt America? I hope so. Besides, only God knows what will happen if Bush refuse to heed wise counsel much longer.

Congratulations on your recent engagement. Your wife-to-be loves you and needs you to survive. Hopefully, you'll understand someday why so many wise women and men are protesting and speaking truth to power in love.

It's time to bring our heroic troops home. That's all the American public wants our political leaders to do. Please pray for the families whose lives have been shattered by the tragic loss of innocent lives.

 
At 5/07/2007 03:11:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, my FIL was a marine on Okinawa in WWII and my grandfather flew test planes in the States. My FIL was GOOD at being a marine (he enlisted and he wasn't drafted). My grandfather was good at testing experiemental aircraft. Both of those men were brave. They helped the war effort by doing what they did best.

Personally, I don't think that people who think 9/11 was an inside job should even be responded to. It is insulting to everyone who died in and since 9/11. They should be treated as the quacks they are. BTW, the moon landing was staged, too. *sigh*

Sorry, that was rather "ad hominem."

-Zan

My password doesn't work, so that is why I can't sign in. The anonymous posters (the lazy ones) could just sign their name.

 
At 5/10/2007 04:26:00 PM , Blogger Cecilia Rose said...

Hi,

I'm not sure where I stand in the war (I've heard arguments for both sides, I've seen that video on YouTube about the 9/11 government conspiracy, and then I've heard from an honorable man in our church who was over in Iraq for awhile and said that there are good things happening...it's just that the liberal-biased media refuses to talk about the positives). No matter whether this is a just war or not, we should mourn the loss of soldiers and support the ones who are still fighting because they need us! They need to know that even though the war is horrible, SOMETHING good will come of it because God is just that awesome and powerful. He has the divine power to bring something amazing from this tragedy called war. However, the main point that I would like to bring up is this: since the Iraq war started, approximately 5,358,460 American children have died from abortion (and now that I've refreshed the screen that has the counter on it, the number is now 5,358,481 after just about 5-7 minutes). THIS is the real massacre, the real tragedy that is happening, RIGHT WITHIN our United States. It's not something that is across the ocean and far away. It's something that is HERE and NOW. Our own neighbors, friends, family, random people you pass on the street, are slaves to this holocaust. Abortion is the real war that we MUST fight. America is supposed to have liberty and justice for ALL...but do our own children, our own tiny citizens, really have that? I hope that everyone who reads this will ponder this issue....

In Christ,
"Cecilia Rose"

 
At 5/14/2007 02:45:00 AM , Blogger Ben said...

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At 5/14/2007 02:47:00 AM , Blogger Ben said...

I'd like to begin by saying that I would like to distance myself as far away as possible from Mr. "9/11 was a conspiracy". :)

Then we can really rest easy, knowing that 9/11/2001 is that much more unlikely to reoccur.

I disagree with this on two fronts. Secondarily, I disagree with you from a rational standpoint. Their society has had 'distrust of the west' baked into their culture for the last 50 years since we've been manipulating their governments in an attempt to make sure that the world's oil supply stays steady. A noble goal to be sure, but perhaps not at the expense of all of the violent overthrows of government that we've backed. We backed Saddam (a dictator) in his 10 year war against Iran (a democracy - of sorts, but still a democracy). Radical Islam has an army of people that believe they are fighting to defend their homeland from the invasion and control of outsiders. The more military victories we see, the larger that army will grow and the greater their desire will be to exact revenge upon us. 'Victory' will only fan the flame.

Primarily I disagree with you as a Christian. The attitude that "our enemy does not deserve to be understood", and that "we are right and do not need to question that" is very unchristlike. Where is searching for the log in our own eye before pulling the spec out of someone else's? Where is turning the other cheek? Where is "those that live by the sword will die by the sword"?

"Where is the real American spirit?"
Where is the real Christian spirit that loves others above ourselves regardless of nationality? That will defend the widow and the fatherless, even if it is from ourselves? 3,000 americans died in 9/11, but we have taken far more lives in Iraq than that. Yes they are fighting, but they believe it is for their freedom.

I'm sure that Peter would have given a rousing "Hurrah!" in response to the idea that we go in and vanquish the enemy, but I suspect that Jesus would have rebuked him. Satan's temptation through Peter was for a kingdom of this world. Our temptation in this country is to believe that our "kingdom" composed of those who are geographically colocated with us deserves to be honored and revered above all others, and that through this kingdom, legislatively and militarily, we can bring about God's will.

If someone slaps you, what do you do? You slap them back. You punish them. Or, if they're bigger than you, you run away and then go tell on someone who can punish them for you. This is the world's way. This is not Christ's way. Turn the other cheek. Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

How come politically speaking we look exactly like the world? There is no aroma of Christ in our politicking. No grace, no love. Only a blind cold-hearted view of "the enemy" as an evil that needs to be eradicated before we can live our lives as we want.

You ask for a systematic theological proof, but I really can't give it to you. You can't prove the intent behind words and actions. Perhaps Jesus meant for 'turning the other cheek' to apply to the geopolitical arena, perhaps not. Perhaps 'those that live by the sword die by the sword' does not extend past the individual; perhaps it does. But I know my redeemer; I know that he is compassionate and loving even though we don't deserve it. I know that he is humble and gentle in heart even though he has no reason to be. I know that by law the adulterer should have been stoned, but he forgave her and let her go.

But I do not see these qualities in our foreign policy or in our president. I see "the power of pride" bumper stickers ironically placed on half of the minivans in America as if it was a Christian value. I see Christians that only wish to know if and how radical Islam can harm us, and has no care as to if or how we've harmed them. I see Christians that care very little for God's heavenly kingdom caring very much for their own earthly kingdom.

I'll agree with you that Americans are selfish and wimpy. But if we redouble our efforts in war, we will only be bravely selfish for our country over others. An individual soldier may be bravely selfless, but then again, so too is an Iraqi insurgent who selflessly fights for his country's freedom (in his mind). As Christians, we must move beyond even this goal, or we are no better than our enemies.

 
At 5/14/2007 07:59:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'll agree with you that Americans are selfish and wimpy. But if we redouble our efforts in war, we will only be bravely selfish for our country over others. An individual soldier may be bravely selfless, but then again, so too is an Iraqi insurgent who selflessly fights for his country's freedom (in his mind). As Christians, we must move beyond even this goal, or we are no better than our enemies. "

I liked that comment. It gives me something to think about. Like, as Christians, what should our goal be in Iraq?

anonymous 1

 
At 5/24/2007 12:22:00 AM , Anonymous Tosca said...

"if we need more troops, let's send them! Let's get the job done."

I think you should lead the way and volunteer. Why not be a servant leader and sacrifice yourself for the cause?

And anonymous said:
"Personally, I don't think that people who think 9/11 was an inside job should even be responded to. It is insulting to everyone who died in and since 9/11. They should be treated as the quacks they are. BTW, the moon landing was staged, too. *sigh*"

Maybe you should consider the list of scientists, government advisers, pilots, architects, engineers, 9/11 families, former CIA/FBI officials, military officials, foreign diplomats, etc, etc who are question the veracity of the 9/11 accounts.

I suggest you have some serious rebuttals to their arguments, hopefully not involving calling the former director of Advanced Space Programs for the US government a "quack".

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

 
At 6/03/2007 05:50:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

137 American military people killed since this was posted barely one month ago. 3,487 is the new count.

 

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